Problems on recent flight

[dant]

My fiance had quite an interesting trip tonight from Atlanta to Orlando. The flight was supposed to leave at 8:15, but didn't take off until around 10pm. Apparently, they didn't have a pilot. Seems to be an integral part of an airplane.

Anyway, that wasn't even the worst part. She said it was the worst flight she had ever been on. Several times during the short flight, the lights flickered in the cabin. The engines were constantly changing pitch and whining also. The worst is yet to some. About a minute or so after landing, ALL POWER on the plane shut down. Everything, engines abruptly stopped. They cycled power and starting taxing back. They had several problems with power during the taxi.

Very reassuring when after landing the entire plane loses electrical power and the engines stop. I've been pretty happy with Airtran over my last few flights (and will be flying this weekend), but her flight was a bit unnerving for me.

I was just wondering if these new 717's have had similar power problems, since I've read about a few generator failures here.

Dan

[jetmech717]

dant

My fiance had quite an interesting trip tonight from Atlanta to Orlando. The flight was supposed to leave at 8:15, but didn't take off until around 10pm. Apparently, they didn't have a pilot. Seems to be an integral part of an airplane.

Nah...pilots are there to watch the plane....more than likely it was delayed due to the wonderful weather we have been having "ALL THIS MONTH" up and down the east coast.

Anyway, that wasn't even the worst part. She said it was the worst flight she had ever been on. Several times during the short flight, the lights flickered in the cabin. The engines were constantly changing pitch and whining also. The worst is yet to some. About a minute or so after landing, ALL POWER on the plane shut down. Everything, engines abruptly stopped. They cycled power and starting taxing back. They had several problems with power during the taxi.

It sounds to me like your fiance' was riding in 1 of our brand new 737's...unlike the 717 when you change power over from 1 generator to another the lights will flicker in the cabin. Rest assured that this is normal. The 717 has a "no brake" pwr transfer and you would not even know when the pwr shifts from 1 generator to another. As for the engines abruptly stopping!!! I seriously think I would have heard of both engines just "abruptly stopping" inflight by now. The engines are constantly adjusting to keep the plane at the speed and flight level requested by the pilots....So it is quite possible to hear a "whining" and "change of pitch" sound coming from them. Just like you hear it in your car when you accelerate or decellorate.

Very reassuring when after landing the entire plane loses electrical power and the engines stop. I've been pretty happy with Airtran over my last few flights (and will be flying this weekend), but her flight was a bit unnerving for me.

If the engines stopped after landing then that means your at the gate and its time to get off. Once again with the 737 the lights are going to "flicker" when pwr is changed from the engines back to the APU or External supply. We appreciate your business and I hope you have a better flight this weekend. Please come back here and let us know how it was, and feel free to ask any questions you may have. Its better to get the record straight than think something was wrong.

[dant]

Originally Posted by jetmech717

If the engines stopped after landing then that means your at the gate and its time to get off. Once again with the 737 the lights are going to "flicker" when pwr is changed from the engines back to the APU or External supply. We appreciate your business and I hope you have a better flight this weekend. Please come back here and let us know how it was, and feel free to ask any questions you may have. Its better to get the record straight than think something was wrong.

Thats my point, when that happened they were at the end of the runway. The cabin was full of screaming passengers too, which never helps.

[jetmech717]

Not sure then Mr. dant. When I go back to work tonight I'll give it a check. Havent heard of anything like that though. Did they have to get towed back to the gate?

[dant]

Originally Posted by jetmech717

Not sure then Mr. dant. When I go back to work tonight I'll give it a check. Havent heard of anything like that though. Did they have to get towed back to the gate?

no, they were able to power back on and taxi back. i'd really appreciate you checking. flight 438 from atl- mco last night.

[B717mech]

I am checking into this also it was a 717, it was aircraft 729. I can assure you that the engines did not stop running. I am checking on the light situation. Just from my experience on the airplane, it sounds like the generator on one of the engines was starting to go bad when the power was at idle the generator stop producing power and there was an interruption on the power swap which could have caused the lights to go off. but this has me a little puzzled because when taking off and landing at night the cabin lights are always off to start with, only the handrail lights are on, which are very dim incadescent lights and would not be noticed if the power was lost. Also if power was lost all the emergency lights in the cabin would have come on. Will let you know if I find out anymore info.

[dant]

thanks guys

[littlebug]

I was the one on the flight that you all have been talking about. I just wanted to recap the situation. Basically, my flight was scheduled to take off at 8:15 and didn't take off until 10:05 or so. I landed at 11:04 on my watch. For almost an hour and 45 minutes I sat on the plane without a pilot and was offered no drinks and did not get off the plane because the flight attendants assured us (about every 10 minutes) that the crew were just about to get on board. When I called Airtran this morning, the customer service rep argued with me that I did not wait that long and insisted I took off at 9:35 pm. Also, there was no air on the plane while we sat at the gate. The flight was an unpleasent one and the engines were pulling back and forth the entire flight. About a minute or so after landing, the plane was taxiing and the power just shut off, lights, air, engines, and we were in pitch black darkness. This was not "dimmed" night lighting. It was so dark I couldn't see in front of my face. I was very upset because I couldn't help but think, what if this happened two minutes ago in the air? The rest of the way back to the gate the lights and air flickered on and off. After explaining my experience to Airtran customer service today, they offered me a whopping $25 off my next flight. I just wanted to know what was going on. Thanks

[dbaker]

Hi, littlebug. I would recommend writing a letter describing the situation and include copies of your boarding pass/tickets/etc and send the letters to:

Assistant Administrator for System Safety ASY-100
Federal Aviation Administration
800 Independence Avenue, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20591

and

Aviation Consumer Protection Division
U.S. Department of Transportation
Room 4107, C-75
400 Seventh Street, SW
Washington, D.C. 20590

[jetmech717]

littlebug:

About a minute or so after landing, the plane was taxiing and the power just shut off, lights, air, engines, and we were in pitch black darkness. This was not "dimmed" night lighting. It was so dark I couldn't see in front of my face. I was very upset because I couldn't help but think, what if this happened two minutes ago in the air? The rest of the way back to the gate the lights and air flickered on and off.

Littlebug I am sorry about the customer service part of the flight. As far as the Crew not being there...there has been SEVERE weather all up and down the east coast for several weeks now and alot of the flights have been waiting on the flight crews to get back from a previous flight so they can fly their next scheduled "leg". I have a question though...Do you fly alot?, and if so have you flown the 717 before? Its engines "whine" alot, and they will do this if the crew is being sent up and down and all around to avoid thunderstorms (planes will avoid T-storms almost all the time). Also while taxing in from a flight alot of the crews shut-down 1 engine to conserve fuel, there was probably a pwr disruption when they did this. I can assure you once again that both engines did not quit after landing or you wouldnt have moved, and we would have got a write-up in ATL. Sorry again for the wait this happens alot of times in aviation, all I can explain to you is the technical part of the operation. Thanks

Oh yeah and Baker, keep up the good work! lol