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Old 03-27-2004, 08:47 PM   #1
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Who Thinks Baker Doesn't know what he is talking about?

I am tired of this guy who thinks he knows everything about aviation and especially the maintenance side of it. It is obvious that he is trying to "stir the pot" and create a "buzz" on his web site so that people will take notice. There is no way that someone could be this stupid about how the aviation industry works. He has been told by every person who is involved in commercial aviation about how planes break and how airlines think, yet he still doesnt "get it". He is a lost cause and I am beginning to wonder if he rode the short bus to school. Seriously though he must have a learning disorder. Hey Baker, If you ever get your pilots license let me know the days you fly so I will make it a point not to be in the air at the same time. Even if you are taxing a plane on the Atlanta tarmac, let me know so that I can make sure that I am not taxing a plane over to our hanger at the same time because I fear that when you come face to face with a plane that has a big "A" on the tail you may steer towards it. Also let me know who your flight instructor is so I can call him up and ask him what the F@#$ he is thinking? He has got to realize by now that you are the worst student that he has ever had. Anyone who takes pictures of himself in the "crown room" sitting with "other guys" and puts it on his web site for everyone to see and says hey look at us were having fun, "please post your pictures of travel here too so we dont look so stupid". You really must have been neglected by your parents. Speaking of your parents...Give me their number to so I can call them up and ask them to go up to your room and take your computer away and make you do your chores, because your bad at running a web site. You cant even get the facts straight on your "warning". Maybe they will block you from your own web site. All I can hope for right now is that your lawn mower breaks and you cant cut lawns anymore and you run out of money for flight lessons, good thing paying for a crappy web site domain is pretty cheap. Now if you need a job for money to pay bills than I will sypathize with you, If you live in ATL than AirTran is always looking for people to drain the lavatory waste tanks in between flights, at least you will be able to see how our operation is run from the "inside" then!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-28-2004, 03:01 PM   #2
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I find Mr. Baker's posts to be very informative, helpful, and throught-provoking. Thanks to his diligent research, and conscientious posts and webpages that put the safety of the flying public first, I feel I have been warned of the hazardous nature of ValuJet/AirTran and intend to avoid its service indefinitely. Thank you, Mr Baker!!

I can understand that you feel the need to defend your employer, but frankly you have a baised opinion and financial incentive to defend your job by refuting such third-party negative claims (even if they are accurate). Clearly you are not an impartial observer.

Instead, you insist on making personal attacks against the character of Mr Baker, make unreasonable and unsubstantiated defamation attempts against his own flight skills, and threaten to provoke and involve his family if you are able to obtain their phone number. This type of behavior simply strengthens my disbelief and caution about ever wanting to give any of my personal information to ValuJet/AirTran (which would be necessary if I wanted to ever fly with them, and thankfully I don't). When you choose to identify yourself as an AirTran employee in forums such as this, your comments and actions are representing your company.
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Old 03-28-2004, 04:00 PM   #3
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ad hominem attacks and appeals to authority are fallacies of argument. That is to say that neither your personal attacks on Baker, what you do for a living, nor your assertions about why he writes what he writes, provide any degree of support to reach your conclusion, which appears to have something to do with Airtran being a safe, or at least ordinarily safe, airline. While your writing may amuse, it does not inform.

I do think it's possible for an unsafe airline to become safe. Watching management deny everything on CSPAN... I don't think that's the team that's going to lead a company in doing that.
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Old 03-28-2004, 04:28 PM   #4
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I'm not going to reply to your questions or comments directly since they are so pointless, but I will offer you a little advice.

I usually just ignore the Airtran ITYT forum, jetmech717, because there is no possibly outcome from these conversations. If AirTran is unsafe, then reading the forum or posting won't improve their safety. If they're very safe, the same action won't make them any less safe. dbaker is entitled to his opinion, as are you, but really neither of them matter in the grand scheme.

However, I notice that you and several others represent Airtran as well as other airlines in the sense that you claim to be employees and speak on behalf of the company in terms of plans, thoughts, and operations. I see that you even invited dbaker to see one of your operations.

As an disinterested observer, I suggest to you that you (as well as your colleagues) should really evaluate how you represent yourselves and your employer on this forum. Your behavior is outrageous and your comments and insults are an absolute disgrace to your organization, likely grounds for termination if they were able to identify you based on your posts, which is within the realm of possibility for the operators of this site.

While you are certainly entitled to your opinion as well as the right to express them as is allowed and encouraged on this forum, I would seriously suggest that you create another profile on this forum to represent your thoughts anonymously and without any childish or personal attacks that generally discredit anything you say.

No reply is necessary; please just give it some thought. Best of luck to all of you.
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Old 03-28-2004, 08:47 PM   #5
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AirTran Airways - by Paul Vernall

8 March 2004

I recently completed a trip from Miami to New Orleans via Atlanta in Business class. This was my first time with Air Tran and I found them quite professional. The flights were all on time and the aircraft were all clean and comfortable. The flight attendants are basically OK but nothing special. Service in Business Class is really no different than coach you just get a bigger seat and more legroom. That's really it. If their flight attendants improved their attitudes and were more professional they would really have a great product.



AirTran Airways - by David Lax

29 February 2004

I flew AirTran recently both coach and business class (first class?) with my family from Boston to Fort Myers. We got off to a rocky start as we received notice a couple of weeks in advance and realized that the Boston-Atlanta-Fort Myers itinerary now included a stop (but no plane change) in Baltimore on the way to Atlanta. Ughh. That said, both the coach flight and the business class flight were on-time and surprisingly pleasant. The flight attendants (especially business class ) were more pleasant than the sometimes beleagered and "chip-on-shouldered" flight attendants I find on domestic major carriers.



AirTran Airways - by Julianne Kavoussi

20 February 2004

My experience this past weekend with airtran was horrendous. From BWI to Atlanta, then west Palm? We were "involuntarily" denied boarding in Atlanta, even though we had our seats assigned...It took 14 hours to get to Florida, no communications from superiors in Airtran. My 3 children and I were exhausted and disappointed. And, unbelievably, the same issue during our return ,yesterday, Feb 16th - I was a 16 hour journey from Florida to Baltimore - again, seats given away, even though we printed our boarding passes off the net the day before. Rude ticket counter personnel, No communication to customers. Over-booking is the problem. Planes sold out, seats taken away, lack of communication. Terrible experience.



AirTran Airways - by Bill Bondar

31 October 2003

My company of choice because of the kind way a passenger is treated. My 4 daughters also use the airline extensively - no hassle check in, and through security in a matter of minutes. Best of all new Boeing aircraft.



AirTran Airways - by Trisha Pauleon

25 October 2003

AirTran has been the best of the 5 carriers I have flown in the past yr. I have been late because of security check-point back-ups, I have even been sick on a flight and have always had service with a smile! I will only fly AirTran from here on out! I will be a loyal patron of theirs.



AirTran Airways - by Douglas Ford

24 October 2003

I flew from CAK to MCO and back. The flight was no different than the other airlines I flew from CLE to MCO and FLA. The price was less at the time and the flights were direct. This was the 1st time I flew with AirTran. It was nice to fly in and out of CAK instead of CLE. I would fly AirTran again to Florida if the price was right.



AirTran Airways - by Linda Wick

24 October 2003

I recently had my 1st flight on Air Tran from Tampa to Dallas and return. Thank goodness someone told me about being able to upgrade. The service was excellent but this must be the airline for midgets and very small people. I don't think I've ever experienced smaller seats or less leg room.



AirTran Airways - by Dennis Lanham

20 October 2003

Air Tran recently came to Wichita Ks with a subsidy from Wichita taxpayers I thought at first this is a really great thing to happen even though we had to subsidize them to stay here I've flown several times and recently I needed to go to Charleston SC so I checked on Airtran flights and found Delta to give me a better fare. With this fare increase I no longer feel that this is a bargain for people of Wichita Ks. We had these types of airlines in Wichita before with no subsidy.What are we paying for.



AirTran Airways - by Justin Saffell

28 September 2003

I flew Airtran HOU-MKE with a layover in ATL , the flight was delayed in Houston for 20 minutes due to weather conditions. When we arrived in Atlanta I had 10 minutes to find my next flight before takeoff. The economy seats on the new B717 were very uncomfortable and not much of a recline. But the crew was great and the food for both of the 2 hour flights where snacks that don't fill you up. Over- all the flight was ok, But I wouldn't fly again unless it was in business.



AirTran Airways - by Tom Freeman

22 September 2003

I recently flew AirTran LGA-CAK-LGA and was able to take advantage of their $30 upgrades on both flights. I had never flown them before, and their service is comparable to the service I routinely get on the East Coast shuttle flights- snacks and drinks with excellent service. Considering I paid about $170 round-trip in business class I think AirTran is a very good value for the money



AirTran Airways - by Cristiano Miro

20 July 2003

A good no-frills airline, offering specially on their website GREAT web fares. Moving from the Washington DC area to Miami, I'm glad I can also count on them in South Florida for my travel needs. Good Boeing 717. Modern, usually clean. And one can select seats when booking on aitran.com. Recommend this airline for passengers just trying to get there with no frills.




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Old 03-28-2004, 09:36 PM   #6
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Quite the Condescending Chap, Aren't You?

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...I'm not going to reply to your questions...

...I will offer you a little advice.

I usually just ignore the Airtran ITYT forum...

dbaker is entitled to his opinion, as are you, but really neither of them matter...

...I suggest to you...

...I would seriously suggest that you...

No reply is necessary; please just give it some thought...
Does it take a lot of practice to come across that arrogantly? Do you even hear how condescending you are? Guess all these Crown Room Triple Platinum Club Elite Deluxe types are so superior they don't even realize they're talking down to us "middle-classers." What a complete crock of shiite
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:56 PM   #7
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As an disinterested observer, I suggest to you that you (as well as your colleagues) should really evaluate how you represent yourselves and your employer on this forum. Your behavior is outrageous and your comments and insults are an absolute disgrace to your organization, likely grounds for termination if they were able to identify you based on your posts, which is within the realm of possibility for the operators of this site.
Whooooooooa Nelly, this here's simply a message board where a wide range of opinions are expressed whether you like them or not. dbaker already tried unsuccessfully to get a few people here to reveal their real names. I'm glad to see that jetmech717 and b717mech were smart enough to realize that sometimes people have alterior motives and sinister intentions and refused to do so. Funny how a "disinterested observer" as you call yourself would resort to threats
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Old 03-29-2004, 12:00 PM   #8
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ad hominem attacks and appeals to authority are fallacies of argument.
good point sir maybe baker will relize this with all the false attacks on AirTran.....oh wait I guess he did.....
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As amusing as these forum discussions are, it's all sort of pointless
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I'm not going to reply to your questions or comments directly since they are so pointless
Nice try buddy but guess what?... you did
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As an disinterested observer, I suggest to you that you (as well as your colleagues) should really evaluate how you represent yourselves and your employer on this forum.
Yeah it really appears your "dis-interested". But you may actually be since you seem to have missed all the post presented by myself and the other airline emloyees, (not to mention our supporters) So maybe we will represent ourselves and company by letting it get slandered (even though its on a meaningless web site).

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While your writing may amuse, it does not inform.
You ask me anything about our airline and you will get the truth. Just like in all the other post.

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This type of behavior simply strengthens my disbelief and caution about ever wanting to give any of my personal information to ValuJet/AirTran
How funny is this, you gave more info to ITYT to join this forum...lol

Everyone can say what they fell, but rest assured we will not sit idle by and let lies be told, the truth will be brought to the table, and untile this web site starts from the top (Baker and his false postings and warning page) I expect to have to come in here alot and set the record straight!!!
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Old 03-31-2004, 07:15 PM   #9
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you post what you think happend, we post what we know from being here. I undestand you get your information from the FAA reports. Those reports list every minute detail which you over dramatize. (example) the lastest incident for airtran you say " after contacting the tower the airplane had a complete electrical power failure, and communications with the tower were lost." It takes about 2 seconds forthe aircraft to switch from one power source to another, as for the communications we aviate, navigate, communicate in that order. If I had an anomaly my goal is to solve the problem as expeditiously and safely as possible. My personal opinion is that talking on the radio is way down on my priority list. I used to tell my students " don't drop the plane while you're flying the radio."

Furthermore I can't belive you of all people had no comment to bovine one's "burn baby burn" immature and insensitive statement.

Bovine one, I think you were breastfed by your father. you are an idiot.

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Old 03-31-2004, 11:16 PM   #10
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you post what you think happend, we post what we know from being here.
Have you actually been in the flight deck of any of the incidents we're discussing? If not, your information is not first hand either.

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I undestand you get your information from the FAA reports. Those reports list every minute detail which you over dramatize. (example) the lastest incident for airtran you say " after contacting the tower the airplane had a complete electrical power failure, and communications with the tower were lost." It takes about 2 seconds forthe aircraft to switch from one power source to another,
The information in the preliminary report is provided in the report from the flight crew and the NTSB has no history of sensationalizing stories. Accordingly, they provided that information and it likely was more than 2 seconds if it was worth mentioning. Otherwise, it'd be less significant than a frequency change or stuck mic on the freq.

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as for the communications we aviate, navigate, communicate in that order. If I had an anomaly my goal is to solve the problem as expeditiously and safely as possible. My personal opinion is that talking on the radio is way down on my priority list. I used to tell my students " don't drop the plane while you're flying the radio."
Yes, "aviate, navigate, communicate" is taught to all private pilot students during the first 5 hours of ground school.

Out of curiosity, what airport were you a CFI at?

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Furthermore I can't belive you of all people had no comment to bovine one's "burn baby burn" immature and insensitive statement.
It's not regular behavior, so it was ignored.

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Bovine one, I think you were breastfed by your father. you are an idiot.
Is that a joke? Are you trying to be a hypocrite?
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What motivates Baker so?

I have read these message boards for quite a few months. AFTER booking a flight to FLA on Airtran last fall I found this site. I was unable to go on my Fla trip last winter but recently used my airline credit to travel for business with Airtran.

The airline was GREAT the plane was STRONG and the pilot was SKILLED. My plane traveled through major storms/tornados/supercells in Minneapolis on 4/14/2004. I had a DAMN GOOD pilot and Airtran handled what was a scary flight (due to bad weather) very well and very professionaly.
GUESS WHAT MR BAKER, nobody got hurt or died. The plane was strong, stronger than those 60+mph winds, and the pilot kept us safe.

I hate to fly, always have. People like Mr Baker are just out to discourage people who fear flying from flying Airtran. That is what his goal is, to exploit a persons fear of flying from flying this airline. My recent experience proves him to be wrong.

I just wonder what motivates him so? Money? Loyality to another airline, perhaps as a employee or shareholder? Disgruntled employee? Obsessed individual??

That could be the topic for a whole new discussion, which would be far more interesting than his continued Airtran bashing, despite the good record they have had in the few years since they have overhauled their company. My guess is that perhaps Baker lost someone near and dear on Valuejet, and continues with a life long crusade. If so I am truly sorry. For any other reason I can not justify such an intense obsession.
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Old 05-25-2004, 06:53 AM   #12
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mazz1957,
We appreciate your business and the great story on your recent trip with AirTran. I hope all your flights with us are just as planned. Just remember that in aviation not every flight ends up on time (and thats with any airline). All you can do is treat the customers right in that moment of inconvenience. As for Mr. Baker......I think we have him straightened out now on the consept of aviation. There have been a few of us here that have put him in his place more than once. We actually dont see much of him anymore. He has to wait for a good story about AirTran and "Why does Boeing keep making the 717's?"
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Old 05-25-2004, 10:03 PM   #13
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Flew through tornados, eh?

Great story.
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Old 05-26-2004, 02:05 PM   #14
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That should tell you how good the 717 is and how well our Pilots can fly it. lol
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Old 05-26-2004, 05:47 PM   #15
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That should tell you how good the 717 is and how well our Pilots can fly it. lol
I was tempted to quote that part and say, "that sounds about right for airtran!" but I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt that the guy's an idiot and the story is not likely to be factual.
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I was tempted to quote that part and say, "that sounds about right for airtran!" but I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt that the guy's an idiot and the story is not likely to be factual.
My god baker an idiot??? That was entirely uncalled for. We all know that airlines fly around strong weather all the time. What might seem in the middle of it to him is really not. Everyone except for you knew what he was talking about. Give it a rest!!!!!
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DBaker.. There are a few people on www.airtrancrewmember.com, who think that you had a family member die on Critter's flight into the everglades. Could you go onto www.airtrancrewmember.com and straighten them out? By the way, VOTE UNION!
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Should we now start calling Southwest Airlines 'ValuJet'? Dbaker? Anyone?
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