2003 Onepass Changes

dbaker · 09-08-2002, 02:38 AM

Breaking news. . . .

Changes in 2003:

There will be mileage caps for itineraries booked in the deeply discounted fare classes. For T class, the limit is 250 miles with 0 elite segments. For travel booked in Q, it will be 500 miles and the segments as flown.
Domestic mileage upgrades will not be permitted for travel booked in T or Q class.
Waitlisting will not be permitted for AllPass domestic mileage upgrades.
There will be charges for reward travel booked close to the date of travel. There will be a $50 ($35 for elites) charge for rewards redeemed 4-14 days in advance. There will be a $75 charge for rewards booked 3 days or less in advance. No charge for booking beyond 14 days.

No changes; remaining the same:

Elite upgrades for travel booked in all classes (yes, including T and Q)
BusinessFirst upgrade policies
Everything else!

dbaker · 09-08-2002, 03:42 AM

This is not so bad for me; it could be a lot worse. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised to see the mileage caps changed later after US Airways changed their decision on a similar announcement.

It looks like I'll lose the elite segments on some of my leisure travel, though. It's not that big of a deal, though, since it will just make Gold and Platinum Elite worth more.

ithisk · 09-08-2002, 04:51 AM

Elite upgrades for all fares! Woohoo!

Oh wait, I'm getting excited about something that we already have. I guess I was sure that we were oing to lose it after what everyone has been saying. But speculation isn't worth much.

Nugget · 09-08-2002, 11:30 AM

Yeah, I have to admit that these changes aren't nearly as bad as I'd feared they might be. I'm not sure I understand what the first bullet point means, though. How will the mileage caps work?

iambri · 09-08-2002, 11:32 AM

All-in-all, seems reasonable. But taking a mileage hit on cheapo flights is a bummer. And the last-minute, reward booking pentalty doesn't bode well for those with spontaneous travel plans...

charlie · 09-08-2002, 12:41 PM

It would appear to me, looking at http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN...81502&mid=4007

those are supposed to be 2 columns, and the post is formatted badly. Thus the caps are:
T fares: 250 miles, 0 elite segments
Q fares: 500 miles, segments as flown
i.e. Q fares will still count for segments while T fares will not.

dbaker · 09-08-2002, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget

Yeah, I have to admit that these changes aren't nearly as bad as I'd feared they might be. I'm not sure I understand what the first bullet point means, though. How will the mileage caps work?

It seems that on a T class ticket, you get 250 miles per segment max and 0 "elite segments." On a Q class ticket, you get 500 miles per segment and 1 "elite segment."

What I'm not sure about if these are caps on "elite miles" or regular miles.

dbaker · 09-09-2002, 04:11 PM

laguardiaguy says that he spoke with a rep at Onepass and the T/Q mileage caps will not be in place due to competitive issues.

tallie · 09-10-2002, 08:29 AM

(No offense personally, dbaker) but I don't think that info from a yahoo message board, of all places, is a credi

Have you ever read the stock boards there???

daa · 09-11-2002, 09:01 AM

post from 9sept02 confirms that CO dropped the T/Q fare restrictions on Mon after U and NW did not match -

dbaker · 09-11-2002, 09:11 AM

Certainly very good news to hear again!

dbaker · 09-18-2002, 01:36 PM

It has been officially announced and ITYT was pretty much dead-on with the early announcement.

Continental Airlines | 2003 Onepass Changes

Nugget · 09-18-2002, 03:59 PM

Personally, I think all the changes are realistic and reasonable. The small fee on short-notice reward bookings makes perfect sense to me and frankly the prospect of paying a $50 fee on what would normally be a thousand-dollar fare seems like a reasonable thing.

dbaker · 09-18-2002, 05:04 PM

It would be neat if you could pay the surcharge with some small mileage amount, but that's not a big deal.

You make a good point; the 25,000mi award booked 30 days in advance is not an identical service as the 25,000mi award booked 4 days in advance and it's contrary to the airline fare model to have allowed it for so many years.

NWgoldelite · 09-16-2003, 07:53 PM

I clicked on the One Pass changes link, and it doesnt seem to be there. Are you sure this is for real?

According to flyertalk, there more changes than you have listed. Normally upgradable fares to BF (K/H) can be upgraded with miles (depending on space). But on flyertalk, there reporting that your going to have to pay a $200 fee in addition to miles.

dbaker · 09-16-2003, 08:55 PM

Did we leave the door to the time machine unlocked again?

Nugget · 09-17-2003, 10:33 AM

CO made a brief, goodnews announcement on Monday and then followed up Tuesday with some quite major revisions to the OnePass program. (This is speculated to be in order to bring OnePass more in line with the Delta SkyTeam structure as the two program become more interconnected).

The changes are brutal for low-far business travellers, effectively doubling the travel requirements to earn elite status. I suspect that the changes will kill both my and dbaker's platinum status (among thousands of others).

NWgoldelite · 09-17-2003, 07:40 PM

I wrote a complaint letter to Northwest yesterday just to be sure they dont stoop to Continental and Delta's level. Here's what they wrote back:

Thank you for your E-mail.

Please be advised that WorldPerks members flying on Continental will
earn Elite qualifying credit consistent with the WorldPerks program
rules.

For questions regarding the rules of the WorldPerks program and their
partners, please refer to your membership guide or nwa.com.

Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns with us. We will
continue to make every effort to serve our customers well. Thank you
for your business as a WorldPerks member. The people of Northwest
appreciate your patronage.

We appreciate the opportunity to review this matter with you.

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR WORLDPERKS MEMBERS! I'm surprised Gordon would make such a stupid decision, especially if Northwest wasnt going to follow.

NWgoldelite · 09-19-2003, 10:33 PM

Then again, the letter never says they're not going to follow. Maybe I spoke to soon?

steveg · 10-03-2003, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget

The changes are brutal for low-far business travellers, effectively doubling the travel requirements to earn elite status. I suspect that the changes will kill both my and dbaker's platinum status (among thousands of others).

I fly continental weekly on short flights in my service region. I am a segment flier not a miles acruer. Look at my 2003 numbers

Current Elite Status: Platinum
2003 Elite Mileage: 55,808
2003 Elite Segments: 83

As you can see I fly a lot but on short flights, booked mostly on T class fares. If this was 2004 with the “no segment + 50% Elite Miles” rule in effect I probably wouldn’t clear gold this year after flying at least one flight on continental every week!

Please drop Mr. Bethune a snail mail (According onepass he no longer accepts emails from customers ...)

Continental Airlines
ATTN: Gordon Bethune
P.O. Box 4607
Houston, TX 77002

take the time to send him a letter and fire me your paypal account and I'll buy your stamp

Steveg1967(a)hotmail.com

09-08-2002, 02:38 AM	#1
dbaker Senior Member ITYT Captain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IAH/HOU Posts: 2,354	2003 Onepass Changes Breaking news. . . . Changes in 2003: There will be mileage caps for itineraries booked in the deeply discounted fare classes. For T class, the limit is 250 miles with 0 elite segments. For travel booked in Q, it will be 500 miles and the segments as flown. Domestic mileage upgrades will not be permitted for travel booked in T or Q class. Waitlisting will not be permitted for AllPass domestic mileage upgrades. There will be charges for reward travel booked close to the date of travel. There will be a $50 ($35 for elites) charge for rewards redeemed 4-14 days in advance. There will be a $75 charge for rewards booked 3 days or less in advance. No charge for booking beyond 14 days. No changes; remaining the same: Elite upgrades for travel booked in all classes (yes, including T and Q) BusinessFirst upgrade policies Everything else! __________________

09-08-2002, 03:42 AM	#2
dbaker Senior Member ITYT Captain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IAH/HOU Posts: 2,354	This is not so bad for me; it could be a lot worse. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised to see the mileage caps changed later after US Airways changed their decision on a similar announcement. It looks like I'll lose the elite segments on some of my leisure travel, though. It's not that big of a deal, though, since it will just make Gold and Platinum Elite worth more. __________________

09-08-2002, 11:32 AM	#5
iambri Member ITYT Cabin Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: AUS Posts: 31	grumble All-in-all, seems reasonable. But taking a mileage hit on cheapo flights is a bummer. And the last-minute, reward booking pentalty doesn't bode well for those with spontaneous travel plans...

09-17-2003, 10:33 AM	#17
Nugget Senior Member ITYT Navigator Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 610	2004 changes :) CO made a brief, goodnews announcement on Monday and then followed up Tuesday with some quite major revisions to the OnePass program. (This is speculated to be in order to bring OnePass more in line with the Delta SkyTeam structure as the two program become more interconnected). The changes are brutal for low-far business travellers, effectively doubling the travel requirements to earn elite status. I suspect that the changes will kill both my and dbaker's platinum status (among thousands of others).

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09-08-2002, 04:51 AM	#3
ithisk Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: OAK/SFO/SJC Posts: 24	Elite upgrades for all fares! Woohoo! Oh wait, I'm getting excited about something that we already have. I guess I was sure that we were oing to lose it after what everyone has been saying. But speculation isn't worth much.

09-08-2002, 11:30 AM	#4
Nugget Senior Member ITYT Navigator Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 610	Yeah, I have to admit that these changes aren't nearly as bad as I'd feared they might be. I'm not sure I understand what the first bullet point means, though. How will the mileage caps work?

09-08-2002, 12:41 PM	#6
charlie Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: London Posts: 14	It would appear to me, looking at http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN...81502&mid=4007 those are supposed to be 2 columns, and the post is formatted badly. Thus the caps are: T fares: 250 miles, 0 elite segments Q fares: 500 miles, segments as flown i.e. Q fares will still count for segments while T fares will not.

09-09-2002, 04:11 PM	#8
dbaker Senior Member ITYT Captain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IAH/HOU Posts: 2,354	laguardiaguy says that he spoke with a rep at Onepass and the T/Q mileage caps will not be in place due to competitive issues.

09-10-2002, 08:29 AM	#9
tallie Member ITYT Cabin Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 42	(No offense personally, dbaker) but I don't think that info from a yahoo message board, of all places, is a credi Have you ever read the stock boards there???

09-11-2002, 09:01 AM	#10
daa Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: DEN Posts: 110	post from 9sept02 confirms that CO dropped the T/Q fare restrictions on Mon after U and NW did not match -

09-11-2002, 09:11 AM	#11
dbaker Senior Member ITYT Captain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IAH/HOU Posts: 2,354	Certainly very good news to hear again!

09-18-2002, 01:36 PM	#12
dbaker Senior Member ITYT Captain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IAH/HOU Posts: 2,354	It has been officially announced and ITYT was pretty much dead-on with the early announcement. Continental Airlines \| 2003 Onepass Changes

09-18-2002, 03:59 PM	#13
Nugget Senior Member ITYT Navigator Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 610	Personally, I think all the changes are realistic and reasonable. The small fee on short-notice reward bookings makes perfect sense to me and frankly the prospect of paying a $50 fee on what would normally be a thousand-dollar fare seems like a reasonable thing.

09-18-2002, 05:04 PM	#14
dbaker Senior Member ITYT Captain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IAH/HOU Posts: 2,354	It would be neat if you could pay the surcharge with some small mileage amount, but that's not a big deal. You make a good point; the 25,000mi award booked 30 days in advance is not an identical service as the 25,000mi award booked 4 days in advance and it's contrary to the airline fare model to have allowed it for so many years.

09-16-2003, 07:53 PM	#15
NWgoldelite Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle,WA (SEA) Terminal S, and CO B gates. Posts: 238	I clicked on the One Pass changes link, and it doesnt seem to be there. Are you sure this is for real? According to flyertalk, there more changes than you have listed. Normally upgradable fares to BF (K/H) can be upgraded with miles (depending on space). But on flyertalk, there reporting that your going to have to pay a $200 fee in addition to miles.

09-16-2003, 08:55 PM	#16
dbaker Senior Member ITYT Captain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IAH/HOU Posts: 2,354	Did we leave the door to the time machine unlocked again?

09-17-2003, 07:40 PM	#18
NWgoldelite Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle,WA (SEA) Terminal S, and CO B gates. Posts: 238	I wrote a complaint letter to Northwest yesterday just to be sure they dont stoop to Continental and Delta's level. Here's what they wrote back: Thank you for your E-mail. Please be advised that WorldPerks members flying on Continental will earn Elite qualifying credit consistent with the WorldPerks program rules. For questions regarding the rules of the WorldPerks program and their partners, please refer to your membership guide or nwa.com. Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns with us. We will continue to make every effort to serve our customers well. Thank you for your business as a WorldPerks member. The people of Northwest appreciate your patronage. We appreciate the opportunity to review this matter with you. THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR WORLDPERKS MEMBERS! I'm surprised Gordon would make such a stupid decision, especially if Northwest wasnt going to follow.

09-19-2003, 10:33 PM	#19
NWgoldelite Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle,WA (SEA) Terminal S, and CO B gates. Posts: 238	Then again, the letter never says they're not going to follow. Maybe I spoke to soon?