AirTran evacuates plane in Atlanta - Page 2

dbaker · 03-11-2004, 05:48 PM

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Ever taken a class in statistics

Wow dbaker I am amazed that you even step out your door. Since you live your life by statistics. I took a statistics class. It sounds like you are a paranoid type of person and after you took that class it even made you worse. If you base everything in these post on statistics alone and also how airlines are operated then you my friend are in for a long rough life. You wouldn't drive, fly, or even get your pilots license. Do you play the lottery?

You're absolutely right. Maybe you can spin that into an ad campaign?

"AirTran Airways - Hey, it's safer than driving!"
"AirTran Airways - What are you, some kind of paranoid freak?"
"AirTran Airways - Better odds than the lottery!"
"AirTran Airways - Don't believe any numbers besides our low, low fares!"
"AirTran Airways - What could go wrong?"

B717mech · 03-12-2004, 06:18 AM

dbaker said with paranoia:

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You're absolutely right. Maybe you can spin that into an ad campaign?

"AirTran Airways - Hey, it's safer than driving!"
"AirTran Airways - What are you, some kind of paranoid freak?"
"AirTran Airways - Better odds than the lottery!"
"AirTran Airways - Don't believe any numbers besides our low, low fares!"
"AirTran Airways - What could go wrong?"

You prove our point more each day!!!
I guess you don't realize that there are risk in "EVERYTHING" you do.

jetmech717 · 03-12-2004, 04:58 PM

Thanks for the marketing help Baker! I Wanna try

"ITYT.com ......You'll never have to travel alone again (only if you fly Delta though)"
"ITYT.com ......Help save a dying web site...please type something"
"ITYT.com ......We hate AirTran, except here cause their the only Airline worth talking about, and the only thing that we wanna talk about here"
"ITYT.com ......We care about your travel...Hey want a cool ITYT shirt (NOT) at our online store?"
"ITYT.com ......Hey look at our pics were having fun........I wonder if anyone else will put their picture here?..Anyone?? Please!"
"ITYT.com ......Here at ITYT we think aviation should be 100% perfect....so I'm getting my pilots license and opening my own airline....Its gonna be called "Baker Airlines...were everyplane will have a keyboard and monitor built into the seat, and the only web site you can access is ITYT.com so ha ha you have to type something now and help save my web site...oh yeah and bash AirTran""

Delta7203 · 03-13-2004, 07:56 AM

Hi you guys!

Sorry for butting in here like I always do -- this constant fighting is hilarious though!

MY OPINION:
Baker needs to shut that hole at the bottom of his head. He also needs to realize that he will not win any arguments here because he (an outsider) will never know the full, true story about anything dealing with an airline. Well, he will win the arguments if he blocks all of the AirTran employees... But hey, that's just my opinion.

- John

dbaker · 03-25-2004, 01:52 AM

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According to the captain, during the climb out from runway 26L at approximately 200 feet, the number 6 display unit on the pilot's instrument panel went blank and the engine alert display (EAD) left generator off alert displayed. The first officer requested radar vectors from the Atlanta Tower. After contacting the tower the airplane had a complete electrical power failure, and communications with the Atlanta Tower was lost. Emergency electrical power was restored shortly after the electrical failure. The flight attendants advised the captain that there was smoke in the aft part of the cabin area. The captain and first officer smelled an electrical burning, and declared an emergency.

Here's the full preliminary briefing

Apparently the smell of smoke was from smoke.

jetmech717 · 03-25-2004, 08:07 AM

Yes we know Baker, I already explained what happened before. You should be a 717 expert with all the info we've given you here at ITYT. Thanks for the follow-up though

haze · 03-25-2004, 12:17 PM

It's really nice to have the people here that are actually in the know to keep things straight: two 717 mechanics, one 717 pilot, and one 757 pilot. Some of these folks even work at AirTran and see firsthand the innerworkings and goings-on within the airline

It's hillarious watching a frequent flier/consultant/webmaster from Texas try to tell these industry insiders they don't know what they're talking about. I'm quite confident these experts know exactly what's going on with the aircraft they fly and maintain, at the airline where they're employed, at the airport they work and fly out of

Hey, I'm an amateur astronomer with a telescope fetish so I'm going to start a website where I can argue with engineers and astronauts and astrophysicists from NASA, the JPL, the SETI Institute, etc. so I can regulary inform them that they have no idea what's going on within their industry and I do. After all, I do have a subscription to Astronomy and regularly scan all the space technology websites with a fine-tooth comb and I have this awesome telescope where I see outerspace with my very own eyes every night. Don't listen to that Mars Rover engineer even though he's on the inside of that program, just take my word for it because I really read a lot of stuff about space

Funny, funny, FUNNY stuff

dbaker · 03-25-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by haze

It's really nice to have the people here that are actually in the know to keep things straight: two 717 mechanics, one 717 pilot, and one 757 pilot. Some of these folks even work at AirTran and see firsthand the innerworkings and goings-on within the airline

Yes, all with a financial interest in the success of AirTran, including yourself, so it sort of discredits everything said.

That flight could've been another VJ592 if it happened further from the airport.

dbaker · 03-25-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jetmech717

, I already explained what happened before. You should be a 717 expert with all the info we've given you here at ITYT.

Given how inaccurate and misleading your past explanations have been as well as understandings of the incidents leading to past ValuJet/AirTran incidents, I think I'll wait for the final NTSB report to hear what happened.

haze · 03-25-2004, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dbaker

Yes, all with a financial interest in the success of AirTran, including yourself, so it sort of discredits everything said.

Funny, I'd love to know what financial interest a 757 pilot from Song/Delta has in AirTran. You'd think that Delta 7203 would want AirTran to perform poorly because they're the competition. But apparently he clearly sees it for what it is, a great airline with great people. So that sort of discredits everything you just said

dbaker · 03-25-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by haze

So that sort of discredits everything you just said

Their credentials are all pointless anyway unless they're willing to post with their real names. As amusing as these forum discussions are, it's all sort of pointless for obvious reasons, not to mention how some people misrepresent themselves.

Considering that at least two of the users here (that tend to agree with eachother a lot) post from the same IP, I'm guessing that we're not going to see anything besides online aliases and baseless claims of authority.

I've let it slide for months because it humors me, but you probably don't want to try to go down the road of arguing about who's legit here unless you really want to embarrass and discredit your allies in the discussion.

haze · 03-25-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dbaker

That flight could've been another VJ592 if it happened further from the airport.

As could have these:

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Originally Posted by 717driver

A Continental airlines 737 made an emergency landing in Atl last saturday after they lost an engine in flight. A Delta 767 made an emergency landing in atl on march 1 with an indication of a fire. A Miami air 737-800 landed in atl on march 4 with a complete hydraulic failure. I was working when all of these events occurred. This stuff happens all over the world everyday. Take your finger off the panic button a go live your life dbaker.

It's the manner in which airlines handle these inevitable incidents that dictates the outcome, not whether these unavoidable situations happen or not. The facts are they do happen, everywhere, everyday, with every airline. It was definately a tragic error that ValuJet's lax oversight of a negligible subcontractor's mislabling of hazardous material caused a cargo fire and the subsequent crash of VJ592. That's why I'm glad that AirTran doesn't operate like ValuJet did, and that these types of incidents are handled properly by AirTran and other airlines so that they don't escalate to that point.

When you finally get past your personal brainlock and realize that ValuJet and AirTran are different animals altogether, you will begin to climb that long road back to credibility, my misleading friend. And you're apparently are a big fan of fruit salad, because you're always mixing apples and oranges. A negligible subcontractor's criminal mislabling of "uncapped" flammalbe oxygen canisters and an electrical smell from a faulty generator are quite different incidents. Trying to imply that this incident was anything similar to VJ592 is absolutely ridiculous and nothing short of sensationalism.

jetmech717 · 03-25-2004, 07:10 PM

Baker:

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Considering that at least two of the users here (that tend to agree with eachother a lot) post from the same IP, I'm guessing that we're not going to see anything besides online aliases and baseless claims of authority.

Did it ever occur to you that we use the computers at work most of the time? Your digging deep now man. We have offered the invite to come to ATL and concourse "C" and one of us will meet you and set the record straight, but you dont want to do that because you would rather make-up this world in which you think a bunch of people have nothing better to do than imitate airline employyes and argue back and forth with a moran that doesnt know anything more about aviation than what he has read or the "little" bit of flying (not maintaining) aircraft.

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Given how inaccurate and misleading your past explanations have been as well as understandings of the incidents leading to past ValuJet/AirTran incidents, I think I'll wait for the final NTSB report to hear what happened.

Go ahead name one time were the information I have provided (and at least with the 717's it has been FIRST HAND on the accounts that we have discussed here. All the info has been pretty accurate considering I have been on all the 717's that have had any problems, and have worked on every single one we have. Cant wait to hear from you!!!!!!

haze · 03-25-2004, 08:59 PM

I was thinking the very same thing: if you guys work at the same place, wouldn't there be a pretty big chance that you'd be using the same computer and thus show the same IP? Like you said jetmech717, dbaker is really grasping at straws with this one. I suppose since dbaker and nugget are both mods for this website, they may have used the same computer once in their lifetime. If this shows them both as the same IP, I guess we're to assume that they are the same person. Furthermore, if jetmech717 and b717mech are friends, they probably have posted from the same computer at one another's house like my friends and I do on other websites/message boards. Next...

B717mech · 03-26-2004, 08:20 AM

Baker said:

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Baker:
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Considering that at least two of the users here (that tend to agree with eachother a lot) post from the same IP, I'm guessing that we're not going to see anything besides online aliases and baseless claims of authority.

I can assure you that I am the real thing a Mechanic that has worked here since Sep 1995. I would give you my name, but I don't trust you. I believe that you would use my name in slander against this great company. I do again offer you to come and visit our airline concourse "C". I or 717jetmech will be more than happy to meet you and show you around. The workings of an airline are a far cry from the GA field. For the record me and Jetmech are good friends and we do use our computers from work to reply. The information giving to you about aircraft 735 has been accurrate. Some info that has been left out was, we grounded that aircraft until we could find the problem. We have since rewired the aircraft from the left engine N2 speed probe to the E&E bay to the EPCU (electrical power conversion unit). The engine has 4 N2 speed probes. One of which sends a signal directly to the EPCU, If this probe doesn't show a speed or it stops showing a speed in flight the EPCU assumes that engine has quit and the generator is not spinning. When this occurs the EPCU transfers power to the other generator to power the entire aircraft. Since the #1 Generator is still in fact putting out power you now have both generators powering the same power bus and you overload it and the PCDU ( power conversion and distibution unit) can't handle that much power and it fails overheats and shuts down thus the power failure. When the harness was removed we found problems with the shielding on the wires which would cause excatly what I described. The N2 probe would short out and not read anything. Since this is a computer controled aircraft just a micro second of this probe showing open would cause this.

haze · 03-26-2004, 09:35 AM

Now hold on just one minute, b717mech! You're telling me that there wasn't actually a raging cargo fire resulting from the criminal negligence of a deceitful subcontractor (who was subsequently shut down by the government)?! According to dbaker, I was under the impression that this would've been "another VJ592 if it happened further from the airport." You mean it was just one of those minor incidents that happens all the time with all airlines like Continental, Delta, Southwest, and the rest? Guess you can't believe all the propaganda here after all, another VJ592 my foot

B717mech · 03-26-2004, 10:24 AM

You are correct, The once emergency power was restored the crew has aprox. 1 hour to land before battery power runs out. One other thing that is being looked into by us boeing and the faa, is why the circuit breakers for the PCDU did not pop as soon as the it was overpowered. Boeing is now testing a smaller amp breaker to see if this will help.

Everyone that reads theses post must remember that the 717 is only 4 years old. All the intermittant faults have yet to be discovered, and since we are essentially the only airline that has more than 10 we are the ones that find all the problems. With the great cooperation from boeing, faa, and all the vendors that make the LRU's the problems that surface are being delt with and repaired accordingly.

Delta7203 · 03-26-2004, 02:20 PM

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Funny, I'd love to know what financial interest a 757 pilot from Song/Delta has in AirTran. You'd think that Delta 7203 would want AirTran to perform poorly because they're the competition. But apparently he clearly sees it for what it is, a great airline with great people. So that sort of discredits everything you just said

I have absolutely no financial interest in AirTran; I do, however, want to see AirTran succeed in the airline industry ALONG WITH Delta and Song(whos expansion has been put on hold). It's about what's good for the passenger too!

AirTran IS a great airline with great people...infact, I would love to come an work for AirTran if they got a 757 or two! The only bad thing about the 757 is its climb out rate... I like going straight up, but my 57 likes to take it a little slower

- John (yes, that is my real first name!)

dbaker · 03-27-2004, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by B717mech

Everyone that reads theses post must remember that the 717 is only 4 years old. All the intermittant faults have yet to be discovered, and since we are essentially the only airline that has more than 10 we are the ones that find all the problems.

Classic ValuJet/AirTran behavior resurfaces! Trying to spread the blame even though it was the management of your company that made the decision to buy the orphan, ugly duckling circa-MD airplane.

"We outsourced safety"

Delta7203 · 03-27-2004, 05:32 PM

Baker... They bought the 717 so they could keep the training costs low and keep the cost of the flights low! What is so F'ing bad about that?

New planes do have problems...just like new windows versions do!!!!

- John

03-25-2004, 12:17 PM	#27
haze Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 267	Directly from the Horse's Mouth It's really nice to have the people here that are actually in the know to keep things straight: two 717 mechanics, one 717 pilot, and one 757 pilot. Some of these folks even work at AirTran and see firsthand the innerworkings and goings-on within the airline It's hillarious watching a frequent flier/consultant/webmaster from Texas try to tell these industry insiders they don't know what they're talking about. I'm quite confident these experts know exactly what's going on with the aircraft they fly and maintain, at the airline where they're employed, at the airport they work and fly out of Hey, I'm an amateur astronomer with a telescope fetish so I'm going to start a website where I can argue with engineers and astronauts and astrophysicists from NASA, the JPL, the SETI Institute, etc. so I can regulary inform them that they have no idea what's going on within their industry and I do. After all, I do have a subscription to Astronomy and regularly scan all the space technology websites with a fine-tooth comb and I have this awesome telescope where I see outerspace with my very own eyes every night. Don't listen to that Mars Rover engineer even though he's on the inside of that program, just take my word for it because I really read a lot of stuff about space Funny, funny, FUNNY stuff

03-25-2004, 08:59 PM	#34
haze Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 267	That Same Thought Had Already Occurred to Me I was thinking the very same thing: if you guys work at the same place, wouldn't there be a pretty big chance that you'd be using the same computer and thus show the same IP? Like you said jetmech717, dbaker is really grasping at straws with this one. I suppose since dbaker and nugget are both mods for this website, they may have used the same computer once in their lifetime. If this shows them both as the same IP, I guess we're to assume that they are the same person. Furthermore, if jetmech717 and b717mech are friends, they probably have posted from the same computer at one another's house like my friends and I do on other websites/message boards. Next...

03-26-2004, 09:35 AM	#36
haze Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 267	Stop the Presses! Now hold on just one minute, b717mech! You're telling me that there wasn't actually a raging cargo fire resulting from the criminal negligence of a deceitful subcontractor (who was subsequently shut down by the government)?! According to dbaker, I was under the impression that this would've been "another VJ592 if it happened further from the airport." You mean it was just one of those minor incidents that happens all the time with all airlines like Continental, Delta, Southwest, and the rest? Guess you can't believe all the propaganda here after all, another VJ592 my foot

03-27-2004, 05:32 PM	#40
Delta7203 Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: John F. Kennedy Posts: 82	Baker... They bought the 717 so they could keep the training costs low and keep the cost of the flights low! What is so F'ing bad about that? New planes do have problems...just like new windows versions do!!!! - John __________________

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03-12-2004, 04:58 PM	#23
jetmech717 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta Hartsfield Int. Airport Posts: 170	Thanks for the marketing help Baker! I Wanna try "ITYT.com ......You'll never have to travel alone again (only if you fly Delta though)" "ITYT.com ......Help save a dying web site...please type something" "ITYT.com ......We hate AirTran, except here cause their the only Airline worth talking about, and the only thing that we wanna talk about here" "ITYT.com ......We care about your travel...Hey want a cool ITYT shirt (NOT) at our online store?" "ITYT.com ......Hey look at our pics were having fun........I wonder if anyone else will put their picture here?..Anyone?? Please!" "ITYT.com ......Here at ITYT we think aviation should be 100% perfect....so I'm getting my pilots license and opening my own airline....Its gonna be called "Baker Airlines...were everyplane will have a keyboard and monitor built into the seat, and the only web site you can access is ITYT.com so ha ha you have to type something now and help save my web site...oh yeah and bash AirTran""

03-13-2004, 07:56 AM	#24
Delta7203 Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: John F. Kennedy Posts: 82	Hi you guys! Sorry for butting in here like I always do -- this constant fighting is hilarious though! MY OPINION: Baker needs to shut that hole at the bottom of his head. He also needs to realize that he will not win any arguments here because he (an outsider) will never know the full, true story about anything dealing with an airline. Well, he will win the arguments if he blocks all of the AirTran employees... But hey, that's just my opinion. - John

03-25-2004, 08:07 AM	#26
jetmech717 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Atlanta Hartsfield Int. Airport Posts: 170	Yes we know Baker, I already explained what happened before. You should be a 717 expert with all the info we've given you here at ITYT. Thanks for the follow-up though

03-26-2004, 10:24 AM	#37
B717mech Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 99	You are correct, The once emergency power was restored the crew has aprox. 1 hour to land before battery power runs out. One other thing that is being looked into by us boeing and the faa, is why the circuit breakers for the PCDU did not pop as soon as the it was overpowered. Boeing is now testing a smaller amp breaker to see if this will help. Everyone that reads theses post must remember that the 717 is only 4 years old. All the intermittant faults have yet to be discovered, and since we are essentially the only airline that has more than 10 we are the ones that find all the problems. With the great cooperation from boeing, faa, and all the vendors that make the LRU's the problems that surface are being delt with and repaired accordingly.